. >> here is my big problem. network executives, television executives have decided to give programs to -- and nancy grace is a friend of mine, i want to say up front, i worked with her at court tv, i co-hosted a baby shower, but let's remember, i'm are trained journalist. she's a lawyer. she's a former prosecutor. there are beauty queens, there are doctors, there are 23450edians, who all have national programs on that talked about this case on television who i would submit are not trained journalists and not really qualified to talk about a case like this, and that's where it gets mixed up. >> i don't think she's qualified, either. i don't know nancy grace, i didn't host her baby shower, i'm sure i would like her as a person, but i think she's wrong. >> i'm not arguing -- >> she influenced the outcome. in the case with the african-american woman. that was a public defender and three-day trial. do you think that jurors sitting in that jury box don't have for a month, wasn't it or three weeks, don't have some sort